Please join us for this can’t-miss interview with Scott Forsgren, FDN-P, HHP, where we discuss healing from chronic Lyme disease, mold-related illness, and other biotoxins!

Scott walks us through his model for recovery and highlights 11 helpful steps to support you on your journey to healing. For each step, he provides essential information, actionable interventions, and specific recommendations.

While everyone’s healing journey is unique, this model provides a framework that will hopefully lead to important discussions between the individual and their health care practitioner. If you have struggled with chronic Lyme disease, mold-related illness, or other biotoxins, you won’t want to miss this interview!

  • Scott shares his personal health journey with chronic Lyme disease and mold illness. (1:57)
  • Scott shares a model for recovering health that has emerged from his own 17-year experience and how he would approach recovery differently if he was starting over. (7:00)
  • Step 1 is detoxification and drainage.  What’s the difference? Why is this so critical? What makes it #1 in his mind? (9:57)
  • Step 2 is improving the external environment. Why is this so important, and how do we do it? (15:50)
  • Step 3 is optimizing sleep. Why does this come after addressing the external environment around us? (23:05)
  • Step 4 is supporting mental and emotional health. Is it all in our head? (25:20)
  • Step 5 is retraining the limbic system, and tonifying the vagus nerve and parasympathetic nervous system. (28:56) How can we do this? 
  • Step 6 is stabilizing mast cells, reducing inflammation, and modulating the immune response. Why is this so important? (32:00)
  • Step 7 is about optimizing hydration, nutrition, microbiome, and gut health. What tools are helpful? (36:36)
  • Step 8 is about adding supportive interventions such as mitochondrial support, adrenals, KPU, and coagulation. (39:47) What does this look like? 
  • Step 9 is addressing and supporting the body with microbial overgrowths. Why is “kill, kill, kill” not appropriate? (44:30)
  • Step 10 is exploring dental contributors. Why is this included later in the process? (53:50)
  • Step 11 is regeneration and restoration. What does this look like? (57:48)
  • Final words from Scott and a reminder to never give up hope! (1:01:51)

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“Our internal environment is only ever going to be as healthy as our external environment. We can’t expect to be healthier than the things that surround us. And we can take supplements all day long, but if our external environment, in our home, sadly our schools, our workplace – if those are our kryptonite -- we’re not going to get back to our Superman or Supergirl kind of superhero status. ” – Scott Forsgren

Step 2 of Scott’s model for recovery discusses the importance of improving the external environment. He identifies mold and electromagnetic fields (EMFs) as examples of external triggers that can contribute to your health issues and inhibit your ability to heal.  Some noteworthy quotes about Mold and EMFs from this interview include:

Scott Forsgren on Mold

  • “We often can use mold-based testing as a surrogate indicator for the health of a building.”
  • “There are no perfect tests in this realm, but I think the Environmental Relative Moldiness Index, the ERMI, from Mycometrics or EnviroBiomics, is an excellent tool. As excellent as can be in the self-testing realm.”
  • “The ideal scenario if you are really sick is you get an Indoor Environmental Professional, I.E.P., to come and do really professional testing.”
  • “Once we identify an exposure then we either have to remediate it or move. I tend to think unless it’s a really serious problem that remediation is often a reasonable direction because many people move from one place to the next, to the next. And given that maybe 50-90% of buildings, if you talk to Brian Karr – he’ll say 90% - have some degree of mold, you are kind of trading one problem for another. So, I think remediations can be successful if the I.E.P feels like it's possible. There are going to be some places that you are never going to get to a point where you are able to become well in the environment that you became sick in.”
  • “It’s important to remember that kill, kill, kill, is not the way back to health.”
  • “Once you rule out mold exposure, a very significant roadblock to your healing process has been removed…this is the piece people want to avoid and find every way to navigate around, but it will extend the duration of your health challenges and unfortunately also extend the amount of money it is going to take you to move past them.”

Scott Forsgren on EMFs

  • “I think of EMFs as another environmental toxicant. They can impact our ability to detoxify. They can keep us in a sympathetic dominant stressed state.”
  • “Dr. Klinghardt would say that probably the primary growth factor for molds in a water-damaged building is the level of EMFs. So, he’s going to say that if you have a mold problem you need to turn off your Wi-Fi is like step 1. Anything else you are doing is going to be helpful, but it’s not going to be helpful if those molds are growing more rapidly, if they are putting out more mycotoxins because they feel more threatened by the environment and all of these EMFs.”
  • “Dr. Klinghardt…would suggest that EMF exposure is the primary cause of insomnia.” 
  • “Mast cells are 10 x more active in the presence of a cell phone.”  (Referencing a statement by Dr. Theoharides.)
  • “Retroviruses are made worse by electromagnetic field exposures as well.” (Referencing a statement by Dr. Klinghardt.)

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